IT was shaping up to be the car trip from hell. Two work colleagues who barely knew each other and 14 hours on the road together.
But instead, the long drive from Newcastle to Wagga Wagga sparked a collaboration between Katherine Seddon and Andy Gallagher.
Together the pair have launched Unzip, a podcast designed to get parents up to speed on all things relating to what parents need to know about the world wide web.
The realisation that they might be on to something came when Ms Seddon asked Mr Gallagher if the game Fortnite was "the evil game she’d heard it was", and also how could she back up her phone so that she was able take photos again.
Mr Gallagher realised how little she actually knew and that maybe she wasn’t alone in her blissful ignorance.
Ms Seddon said the podcast they made was about helping parents stay in touch with the internet, technology and everything your kids already know, while at the same time "having a lot of fun together."
The two presenters are at very different places in the parenting journey.
Mr Gallagher is father to a one year old, and Ms Seddon has three children aged 8, 10 and 12.
Mr Gallagher is a digital native, while Ms Seddon didn't use the internet until she was at university.
Mr Gallagher is a "self-confessed nerd" who has been building computers since he was a teenager, while Ms Seddon prefers gardening and pickling vegetables.
She readily confesses she is not "on the pulse" when it comes to technology. The disparity in knowledge about the internet is why the podcast works.
"Andy doesn't know a world without the internet," Ms Seddon said.
"But for many of us, especially mums over 40, it's out of the realm of our understanding.
But for many of us, especially mums over 40, it's out of the realm of our understandingKatherine Seddon
"His ability to know vast amounts of detail in all things tech often leaves me speechless."
Ms Seddon soon realised Mr Gallagher was her ticket to becoming a tech-savvy, super-cool mum. And so, Unzip was born.
Unzip is available on your favourite podcast app on Apple and Android devices. There five episodes ready to download covering: the Momo Challenge, TikTok, mystery boxes, social media and Fortnite.
Your kids won’t know what’s hit them.